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Even if the non-RVG UA pressings were well manufactured, I’m positive that the UA mastering engineers did not limit as much as Van Gelder (practically no one did), so the signal-to-noise ratio of the UAs will be lower. Hi Richard and welcome. Art Blakey & The Jazz Messenger' 'First Flight To Tokyo The Lost 1961 Recordings is set for exclusive release through Blue Note on November 5, 2021. Tape can be damn near close to dead quiet when you push the headroom and run at a high IPS. Should I buy it as my first original bluenote record? born May 14, 1897 in New Orleans, Louisiana. They appear to be re-mastered from the original tapes by UA house engineers, who did a better than passable job, though there is no certainty as to the use of intermediate copy tape. Found inside – Page 55Sonny Rollins Rollins Plus Four, 3/56, Original Jazz Classics Valse Hot, ... Jazz Classics St. Thomas, Blue 7 Dexter Gordon Doin' Alright, 5/61, Blue Note I ... Founded by Michael Cuscuna, Head of Reissues and Special Projects at Blue Note Records since 1984 to the present day, Mosaic vinyl box sets are limited editions which are frequently out-of-print and found only on the second hand market, often quite expensive. NEW YORK USA , ORIGINAL  MONO (1962-66). 4215: Jackie McLean, Right Now (1965) 4227: Joe Henderson, Mode for Joe (1966) Probably NY Labels were introduced earlier as on BN 4101? I think this is supported by the etchings LJC has noted scratched in the runout on some of these pressings, since readers have reported that their pressings feature these same etchings (as we discovered with the Plastylite ‘P’, recessed marks must either be introduced on the master or the mother; marks on the stamper, like the Plastylite ‘P’, will show up in relief). It wieghs in at 200g. The most valuable Mosiac box sets include the compendium of Hank Mobley titles, and those of Miles Davis, which uniquely included sessions which were drastically edited to fit on the original commercial release, 13.3  Capitol Blue Note “Connoisseur series”. Commencing in 2019 (Blue Note 80th Anniversary)  Blue Note tasked  Joe Harley—co-founder of Music Matters Jazz – to produce a new series of all-analog, mastered-from-the-original-master-tape 180g audiophile vinyl reissues. This is significantly more important on Blue Note as the recording engineer was also the mastering engineer, who knew what compression he was likely to use on the cut as he was recording the music. Seems to be at the sound level of the 75 series which had many of the same issues. Sure, there are always some outliers. These were sold sealed, judging from the sheer number still in shrink (opened of course) in auction results. But they took it a step further (a big step short albeit) while acknowledging that the mono master LACQUERS were fold-downs of the two-track session tapes (there were no mono master TAPES) but failing to acknowledge that he wasn’t mixing or monitoring in stereo. It doesn’t help date the record. Congratulations on the great site. Yes, I was referring to the Liberty era as you initially mentioned NY USA labels…. I’ve forgotten how to do standard deviation, but they cluster around the averages, and get progressively lighter over time. This is seriously rare and expensive territory! Way better then my old digital sourced copy. But I can just compare with others reissues by French label Heavenly Sweetness (there are from analogue tapes, copies made by Capitol I think). The one on NY labels with ear is undoubtedly an original Blue Note but a second or subsequent pressing. It was a mechanical process of some kind, and like all mechanical processes, sometimes fails. Scroll down to see the Tina Brooks “True Blue” and Kenny Dorham “Una Mas” covers. Title: Moanin'. So can say these 2 are NY pressed with early sticker. If that’s what you mean, these are highly recommended and usually cost anything between £20 and £45, depending on the rarity of the title. If you’re ever in the US, I’d be glad to do that demo for you and you can make your own decision PS. From 1983 EMI Pathe Marconi  released Blue Note titles variously dated “re-edition 1983“, 1984 or 1985. 4240: Stanley Turrentine, Rough ‘n Tumble (1966) Catalogue numbers: first appears on 4203 intermittently up to 4248, and in continuous run thereafter, until United Artists takes control around 1971 ending 4435 (this info needs more checking). Hello, I really enjoyed this article! Really deep collectors have several copies, one archival investment, another for playing. There are examples of this but there seemed to be a legalese motive in mixing old and new, when the newer label carried registered trademark assertion ® below NOTE. Follow. Looking at popsike and discogs, the seller is selling the album for R500 (+/- £25) which puts it in the ballpark of what was sold. Please try again. Generally, a radio-station promo is the best  indicator of  the characteristics of the first pressing. However, taking all this into account and what was written earlier, I must suspect that the album is a reissue. Thanks for the reply… You want a Mobley 1568 for $15? The Mosaics definitely have a sound and it’s not the original. (And by original I mean the first 12″, I know the 10″ is the real original). In practice, both mono and stereo LPs are “microgroove”. last comment on live musicians is a def classic. side one is BLUE NOTE RECORDS – 47 WEST 63rd – NYC address with no “R”. It makes perfect sense to me that getting a fresh stamper is the most important thing affecting high frequency response and the onset of distortion from groove wear with a particular copy of a record (fresh mothers, masters, and lacquers aren’t as important because they didn’t get “used” nearly as much as the stampers). Is Microgroove referring to Mono or the actual groove imprint? JSm The Sound of ..BLP 1556 (rec 1957, first release around same time on 47W63rd labels), JSm Softly as Summer Breeze BLP4200 (rec 1958, released deferred to probably around 1965, first release on NY labels). The name CEMA stood for the four EMI-owned labels it originally distributed: Capitol Records, EMI Records, Manhattan Records and Angel Records . It would be one thing if they simply left it at, “we think the stereo mixes sound better so we’re going to reissue those”. This is significantly more important on Blue Note as the recording engineer was also the mastering engineer, who knew what compression he was likely to use on the cut as he was recording the music.”. In the early to mid Fifties , a vinyl LP weighed as much as 220 grams. Almost always stereo, with scarce exceptions. This is definitely off topic buy I’m now listening to what appears to be a Mal Waldron bootleg called “Up Popped The Devil” on Enja. Thanks for the fast and excellent response – I guess the italicized microgroove text threw me.. 1577 was one of only five RVG stereo 1500 series issues, issued in stickered mono jackets There was never a stereo cover and probably no stereo stickers left, but lots of surplus mono NY labels and covers for 1577. Not always, not every vintage record is a good recording/pressing, and not every modern pressing is poor, and you learn through experience, the 80:20 rule applies. I don’t think Lion did after a few licenses in the early to mid 50s. Hi Myles – The LJC audio system is illustrated here (plumbing and all) https://londonjazzcollector.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/wholesystem-parts.jpg, The bits you cant see are as per your question, Cartridge: Dynavector DV20X high output moving coil, the arm is the Origin Live Encounter, both mounted on the Avid Volvere Sequel illustrated here. all this refers to MONO only. It looks like the cover has a sheet that was glued on. Whether the appearance of a Division of Liberty label for those titles with an NY label represents a “second pressing” is debatable. Previously owned the same title on the prestigious and original Blue Note label. No explanation, just a matter of chance that Van Gelder laid his hands on a blank acetate from old stock. The Capitol “Finest in Jazz Since 1939” editions – and this one says the dreaded Direct Metal Master DMM I think – I have found fairly unpleasant, but hey, I’ve been wrong before, this one may be one of the exceptions. Meaning that what you get on tape is not necessarily closer to what the producers were trying to create. EMI FRANCE – CAPITOL RECORDS MODERN “BLUE NOTE” MUSIC GROUP. News Blue Note Launches Limited Edition Wall Art Series Of Classic Album Designs. I wanted to let you know that your web site is critical in identifying the evolution of Blue Note as well as other labels. That’s important too…. The first pressing may have been just a few thousand copies, of which only a few hundred survive today, fewer still in excellent condition. The printed label was a consumable inventory stock item. If the first pressing run was spread over three days, the start and finish of the run could be just the difference between Monday and Wednesday. The recording and mastering are, it goes without say, are superb. I’ll listen to it this evening. Analogue Productions find me slightly uneasy with their “botox-finish” engineering and 45rpm double album format, which seems increases weight and cost without discernible  improvement in sound quality over 33rpm, and a worn  path to and from the turntable with frequent record changes (a particular hassle for those of us with complex  record turntable clamping systems). The sound is amazing which leads me to believe it is a pre-Liberty pressing. In order to differentiate stereo LPs from mono LPs, the word “stereo” replaced “microgroove” on the label. They have been forwarded to me. It is very cute and quite desirable because of its metal heritage and vintage features, but not an original pressing (Lexington) nor indeed a Blue Note repress (47W63rd) but a Liberty manufactured reissue, my guess 1967. The Enja number is 2034, in stereo, recorded in 1973. All original Blue Note records were pressed by  Plastylite (just one exception, see below)  and  have an ear each side. Probably the exception that confirms the rule though. Best regards. Maybe to many filtering and eq … And I’m out of running for the $1,000 plus club. I did notice, however, that the Toshibas with poor sound quality were pressed after 1989. I’m a little confused so a picture of the label and back cover would be really helpful, even the runout etchings if you can. I have the Night at the Village Vanguard 1581 from Sonny Rollins Please save me for sent to the nuthouse, I have read you when you say Nothing is ever sure (almost) but really if 9M is Client Code blue Note for Plastylite then why on earth there is no “P/earmark”? Sam, Hi no sorry I mean the number 11, blue label white note. 4243: Lee Morgan, Delightfulee Morgan (1966) I accidentally dropped mine while removing it from the package and the corner is creased. I still remember that buyer from the east that spent $5,000 on Mobley 1568 but sent it back in tears, because it wasn’t perfect. Scorpio make one. I’m going to go out on a limb and perhaps introduce a bit of controversy: I think that while Plastylite pressings are exceptionally good, some of the best sounding records I have heard are UA-era stereo Blue Notes made from the original master. Recordings made immediately after the war also sometimes do not come up to modern audio expectations, some early Blue Note titles are recordings made by other engineers, re-mastered by Van Gelder. Our selection of favorite tracks from the Blue Note vaults, updated monthly so you can keep discovering & enjoying The Finest In Jazz. I see that you have some engineering chops, myself as well–I can’t say that I’ve ever heard an original Blue Note master tape in person though! Quantity. Cheap outer sleeve. Just to clarify. The sets are however fantastic value at around $20 for a double LP. People were making poor decisions in engineering, mastering and pressing, which failed to realize the musical potential of vinyl. $23.15 Used. I have been wondering about some of my Blue Notes that lack ears. Song For My Father Horace Silver. $25.15 New. either way, i am satisfied that is definitely an original. Great record, 4249, recorded October 11, 1966. This ties into why a lot of digital heads argue that digital remasters sound closer to the original tape, and if the tape was well cared for over the years, I would probably agree with that. Fifteen jazz favorites recorded on one of the finest jazz labels. Springtime In New York: The Bootleg Series Vol. If anyone has personal experience with them, perhaps they would like to share an opinion. – Andrew Hill; Sidney Bechet. VAN GELDER stamped, BLP-4011-B-1 on the B side. The record got the Blue Note Label Group writing on the cover so it must be official…. In my mind the original mastering is what unwittingly fuels collectors obsessions with all of these other details (labels, sleeves, etc.). Surely its a reissue pressed recently…as it was only $20 and sealed? Also, it’s interesting to look at the website you pointed to and to see the variations around the time of the Liberty sale. It was a rare person like George Piros of Mercury who could get a dynamic cut in those days from the cutting lathe. Many thanks for your attention. I hope you get a good copy of the same album. I find the extra information, about the position of the instrument on the soundstage, mostly not particularly helpful in connecting with the music, but I recognise other people feel differently. In summary, while I agree the safest bet for top sound quality is a Plastylite pressing, I think a high quality post-Liberty pressing made from the original master can sound just as good. The only way around it would be to create many separate Blue Note pages, one per label, so comments would be at the bottom but specific to each label. If the initial print order of labels for a title was in excess, we saw left over stocks used many years after release. Two, reread your first paragraph because I found it very confusing and really a set of contradictions. thanks. (Big Note Songbook). 20 standards in big-note piano arrangements: All the Things You Are * April in Paris * Autumn Leaves * Blue Skies * Bluesette * Body and Soul * Don't Get Around Much Anymore * I'll Remember April * In a Sentimental Mood ... 4245: Art Blakey, Like Someone in Love (1960) You don’t get the gatefold cover and Francis Wolff portraits, but that is the only difference. Yes that Free For All is mine – but I am travelling for a few days, have to check it out when back at base. The pressings (of at least the one I have) are very good when compared to DMM or Capitols much more dynamic with quiet surfaces sleeve quality is also OK. Check for the “P” in the deadwax, most likely missing. I have Dexter Gordon GO! “if it says Stereo on the cover and has the different logo then it is a liberty era pressing.”. Tone Poet have made this series even better by lining the paper sleeve with some kind of plastic liner - less static. I’m not trying to say that the tape project isn’t interesting, just that the idea that it is the ultimate way to hear the sound is to ignore many of the factors that go into making a record, and how the tapes would then be looked after. Are you aware of this article: http://www.musicmattersjazz.com/sound.html#Mono. Everyone asks whether these are any good from the audiophile point of view. It has “RVG STEREO” and the Plastylite P in the runout. Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage (Blue Note) Freddie Hubbard (t), George Coleman (ts), Herbie Hancock (p), Ron Carter (b) and Tony Williams (d). For Japan, first King Records, later Toshiba-EMI, for Europe, Pathe-Marconi and selective releases by EMI UK and other, and for the US, Manhattan Records, a subsidiary of Capitol Records Inc, 13.2  Capitol Manhattan “THE FINEST IN JAZZ SINCE 1939”. find any others that have slipped through cracks like this one? Mixed labels are usually a feature of Blue Note original second or later pressings (as usual with one or two exceptions). Anyway I scored a mono RVG Jimmy Smith The Sermon which I hope will be great.. number in it then it is also Liberty era: This seems plausible–the statement might be accurately extended to say that the BLP/BST catalog scheme also coincided with the Liberty sale. He soon abandoned the single track, recording solely on two track, able to generate the require mono master by “folding down” the two tracks to one. The matrix/mothers and stampers will all have the same markings because they are derived from the same master by Van Gelder. My guess is that the side A master was lost or damaged early on. “There were no Stereo issues on W63 labels (i.e. There is some consensus as to the groove-pattern of some new titles in their “original first pressing”. Sympathies Andy, it’s a numbers game, some you win, some you lose, there is no safe harbour. Good rvg recording, good music and artist .. That tells me two things. Total sales of Sidewinder over its first three or more months uniquely crossed into six figures. The Connoisseur series were signposted by a blue/yellow sticker attached to the front of the shrink, ensuring that, when the shrink fell off, nothing remained to distinguish the series from ordinary reissues – to the untutored eye. Thanks for your replies. Classic Records are solid performers but from the few I own, tend to my ears to be restrained, and  a trifle bland and unexciting in presentation. At the moment looking for a Monk 1510 I wish Scorpio did one of those, I’ll probably end up with a £25 DMM version or if I’m lucky a Japanese…. 2,086; 1 year ago; Classic Jazz (Blue Note Edition) by Jazzmaster Mike. The second catch: It’s far from a first pressing, a 1979 or 1980 reissue with the white lower-case “b” and an attribution to “Liberty/United Records” on the label — hence my estimate of the date range per LJC’s analysis. Job done. Also, the inner sleeve is missing from my copy. The most collectible titles are worth upwards of £5,000. I love to absorb the contrasting opinions of music lovers who don’t get a hot head about the differences in taste people might have. Sidney Bechet: Jazz Classics Vols 1 & 2 (1939-51) Bechet, a clarinettist and soprano saxophonist, had, to a greater extent than any other performer, that mixture of arrogance, elation and power . You can hear the difference in instruments coming in from right to left and center...of course, you have to have a good pair of speakers/setup and a decent amp/reciever. Variable experiences from one title to another. It’s a “chocolate or vanilla?” thing, neither is “better”. In information on the backside of the cover: 2015 Blue Note Records, EMI, Music Spain, Capitol Record, Printed in Europe. It’s got the liberty jacket, so the back is different. As far as I can tell, RVG certainly didn’t have a bad day with “Back At The Chicken Shack”. I’m a fairly novice collector and this website is an incredible resource for me as I learn all about the different Blue Note labels so my thanks for providing this fine education! Hi! one last question: I have read that the weight of the original record should be ca 220 gramms. If it fell short of requirements, fresh labels would need to be printed, I assume, using whatever design was current (skipping over Lexington and NY23 to 47W63rd). −. 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